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. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated from the white house and the capitol today, about getting a deal before the new year brings automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama offered his optimism at an event with middle-class americans who'd be hit by any tax increase. >> i'm glad to see-- if you've been reading the papers lately-- - that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with this idea that we should have a balanced approach. so if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> brown: one such lawmaker is republican house member tom cole of oklahoma. th
. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated...
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to avoid the fiscal cliff. with just 33 days left to nail down a deal, c.e.o.s made the rounds to explain to lawmakers that because of cliff gridlock, they're holding back on hiring and spending. as darren gersh reports, c.e.o.s weren't the only ones campaigning hard today. >> reporter: the president and republicans focused today on staging events designed to pressure the other side. the president called on americans to tweet, facebook and call members of congress to tell them to pass tax cuts for everyone making less that $250,000 a year. >> 97% of small businesses would not see their income tax go up by a single dime. even the wealthiest americans would still get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> reporter: the speaker dismissed a call from a fellow republican to give the president what he wants, saying it's not good economics to raise tax rates on small businesses. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and hurt job creation in our country. this is not good for our country. it'
to avoid the fiscal cliff. with just 33 days left to nail down a deal, c.e.o.s made the rounds to explain to lawmakers that because of cliff gridlock, they're holding back on hiring and spending. as darren gersh reports, c.e.o.s weren't the only ones campaigning hard today. >> reporter: the president and republicans focused today on staging events designed to pressure the other side. the president called on americans to tweet, facebook and call members of congress to tell them to pass tax...
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. ,, ,,,,,, fiscal cliff. but in washington today, signs of e movement amo >>> just over a month the country to go over the "fiscal cliff" but in washington today signs of some movement among lawmakers. cbs reporter danielle nottingham on how the president is holding their feet to the fire. >>> reporter: president obama is enlisting middle class americans to pressure congress to back away from the "fiscal cliff." >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: he will take his case on the road friday and is asking the public to join a twitter campaign calling on lawmakers to renew tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year without delay. >> campaign for his position i did it we understand it but at the end of the day he has to lead on this issue. >> reporter: while congressional leaders meet behind closed doors, some of the biggest names in corporate america are here on capitol hill meeting with lawmakers pushing for solutions. former tennessee governor
. ,, ,,,,,, fiscal cliff. but in washington today, signs of e movement amo >>> just over a month the country to go over the "fiscal cliff" but in washington today signs of some movement among lawmakers. cbs reporter danielle nottingham on how the president is holding their feet to the fire. >>> reporter: president obama is enlisting middle class americans to pressure congress to back away from the "fiscal cliff." >> when the american people speak...
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takes on the fiscal cliff. he's asking people to use the #my2k to explain what they would do with the $2,000 that could be lost to a middle class tax hike. one user talks about buying a mac book. the other talks about the child they're expecting and making the mortgage. but the president is also finding some critics. one of whom wants details on spending cuts. tennessee republican congresswoman marcia blackburn is not thrilled with the fact that all the chair manships voted on yesterday, 19 out of 21, none of them went to women. she says women should be elevated any time there's an opportunity. >>> mitt romney isn't just having lunch with president obama today. he's also seeing running mate paul ryan for the first time since the election. finally, michelle obama unveiled the holiday decorations at the white house which featured 54 christmas trees, a gingerbread house and a statue of the first dog which looked real. >>> let's go to wall street where markets did see a boost. the dow opens at 12,985. that is after
takes on the fiscal cliff. he's asking people to use the #my2k to explain what they would do with the $2,000 that could be lost to a middle class tax hike. one user talks about buying a mac book. the other talks about the child they're expecting and making the mortgage. but the president is also finding some critics. one of whom wants details on spending cuts. tennessee republican congresswoman marcia blackburn is not thrilled with the fact that all the chair manships voted on yesterday, 19 out...
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you can see how nervous investors are with the progress or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff in washington. connell: peter barnes has been covering it all from capitol hill. the attorney said i am here trying to resolve this. it is serious business. he would hope the white house would get serious as well. peter: no substantive progress in the last couple weeks in the discussions with the white house and then kind of taking a slap your at the president. he said this is a moment for adult leadership. the white house does have to get serious on spending cuts and entitlement reform. the republicans are trying to shift the discussion in this debate over to the spending that side. the entitlement reform side. the president hammering them on the tax side of it. especially spending, extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class. connell: are you noticing a difference? is that the way it is shaping up today that the democrats are more optimistic than the republicans because republicans do not think they are getting what they are wanting? >> i watch these press conferences and publii events and s
you can see how nervous investors are with the progress or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff in washington. connell: peter barnes has been covering it all from capitol hill. the attorney said i am here trying to resolve this. it is serious business. he would hope the white house would get serious as well. peter: no substantive progress in the last couple weeks in the discussions with the white house and then kind of taking a slap your at the president. he said this is a moment for adult...
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cliff in washington. that concern might be showing up in the manufacturing sector. the feds said that in some places around the country, manufacturing was slowing down and actually contracting outright. but it said that hiring was up modestly most places and with the holidays coming up. it said that the outlook for retail sales was mostly upbeat. shep? >> shepard: what's with the sirens? is the place on fire? >> no. there is escort going out here from the white house. >> you don't have much clout there. >> the vice president apparently is leaving. >> shepard: he might as well. what will the fed do with today's report? it has a meeting in a couple of weeks, you know. >> this was okay report. more importantly it was not strong enough for the fed to back off stimulus programs keeping interest race very low for a long time and into the economy. at its meeting next month it is expected to reaffirm those policies. continue them. shep? >> shepard: peter barnes there at the firehouse. peter, thanks. president oba
cliff in washington. that concern might be showing up in the manufacturing sector. the feds said that in some places around the country, manufacturing was slowing down and actually contracting outright. but it said that hiring was up modestly most places and with the holidays coming up. it said that the outlook for retail sales was mostly upbeat. shep? >> shepard: what's with the sirens? is the place on fire? >> no. there is escort going out here from the white house. >> you...
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cliff negotiations in washington. the dow rallied 100 points yesterday off of those comments. how many times have you heard me say congress will mess it up. >>> goldman sachs ceo met with the president and others yesterday for those fiscal cliff talks. listen to what he told wolf blitzer when asked if taxes should be raised on those making more than $250,000 a year. if that's what it takes to make the math work when you look at entitlement side and revenue side, i wouldn't preclude that. of course we would have to do that if the numbers drive that way. >> he said america can't afford itself right now the way we're going. fiscal cliff talks today continue with geithner making the rounds on capitol hill. later this morning, third quarter gdp expected to be revised higher. economists expect gdp for july to september to be revised from 2% to 2.8%. that would be good news. this is still modest growth. everyone hopes that next year will be a better year than this one in terms of growth. you want to see more than 2.5% growth
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washington is struggling with the fiscal cliff or at least say they are. teamsters president says no deal is fine by him. we will show you why hoffa and some of his union buddies are ready to go over the cliff. susan rice apology to or on capitol hill goes on. another day of meetings with senators and more unanswered questions. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role. lou: israel, gaza, egypt, and ron, american foreign policy. will we ever get the facts on what happened in benghazi? we are joined next. ♪ lou: the white house today said president obama is not particularly concerned whether susan rice misled americans on the attack. press secretary fired back when asked whether the president recognizes the way information about benghazi has been handled and whether that raises serious questions. >> not particularly concerned about whether the ambassador or i went out and talk about the fact we believe extremists might have bee
washington is struggling with the fiscal cliff or at least say they are. teamsters president says no deal is fine by him. we will show you why hoffa and some of his union buddies are ready to go over the cliff. susan rice apology to or on capitol hill goes on. another day of meetings with senators and more unanswered questions. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a...
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washington is struggling with the fiscal cliff or at least say they are. teamsters president says no deal is fine by him. we will show you why hoffa and some of his union buddies are ready to go over the cliff. susan rice apology to or on capitol hill goes on. another day of meetings with senators and more unanswered questions. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that theu.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role. lou: israel, gaza, egypt, and ron, american foreign policy. will we ever get the facts on what happened in benghazi? we are joined next. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the w to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand t value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care pressionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male aouncer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pha
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the fiscal cliff. >>> $7 coffee. starbucks thinks you will pay. coffee connoisseurs can pay $7 for a grande cup of costa rica fincapalamara. it's called mucho deneiro. cultivated from a central american bean known as geisha. it is extremely difficult to produce. the same america who spends $7 on lottery tickets you know you won't win. you can drink this. >> would you? >> to be honest, once i would. >> sucker. $7 coffee. you need music or television or something. >> people to dance. >> yeah. it's like the $5 shake in "pulp fiction." better be a good cup of coffee. a new report says president obama is being flexible with top tax rates as negotiations intensify. will that help republicans agree to a deal? we'll be talking to republican from wyoming senator john barrasso up next. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or e
the fiscal cliff. >>> $7 coffee. starbucks thinks you will pay. coffee connoisseurs can pay $7 for a grande cup of costa rica fincapalamara. it's called mucho deneiro. cultivated from a central american bean known as geisha. it is extremely difficult to produce. the same america who spends $7 on lottery tickets you know you won't win. you can drink this. >> would you? >> to be honest, once i would. >> sucker. $7 coffee. you need music or television or something....
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from the fiscal cliff negotiations. at the closing bell the dow was up 36 points. green arrows across the board. >>> shares of zumiez wiped out after the bell. the company's third quarter profit fell 10%. zumiez blamed the short fall on weak sales in europe. earnings for the action sports retailer missed profits estimates by seven cents. revenue also fell short of forecast at 180 million bucks. >>> but investors in late trading are snapping up shares of specialty value retailer five below. earnings per share topping estimates by two pennies a share, and revenue better than expected at $86.8 million. that is the latest from the fox business network, giving you the power to prosper david: we have breaking news coming out of groupon. there have been some questions whether their ceo would remain. well, they had a board meeting. it has concluded and we're getting word that andrew mason, the groupon ceo, will remain as head of that company. liz: stock's been down of course. a lot of concern but he survives! mason survives. >>
from the fiscal cliff negotiations. at the closing bell the dow was up 36 points. green arrows across the board. >>> shares of zumiez wiped out after the bell. the company's third quarter profit fell 10%. zumiez blamed the short fall on weak sales in europe. earnings for the action sports retailer missed profits estimates by seven cents. revenue also fell short of forecast at 180 million bucks. >>> but investors in late trading are snapping up shares of specialty value...
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. >>> the country is about a month away from tumble over the "fiscal cliff" but in washington signs of movement among lawmakers. cbs reporter danielle nottingham on how the president is holding their feet to the fire. >> reporter: president obama is enlisting middle class americans to pressure congress to back away from the "fiscal cliff." >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: he will take his case on the road friday and is asking the public to join a twitter campaign calling on lawmakers to renew tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year without delay. >> he is campaigning for his position. i get it. we understand it. but at the end of the day he has to lead on this issue. >> reporter: while congressional leaders meet behind closed doors, some of the biggest names in corporate america are here on capitol hill meeting with lawmakers pushing for solutions. former tennessee governor phil bredesen told lawmakers everything needs to be on the table. >> i think there's a broad recognition it has to be both revenue and seri
. >>> the country is about a month away from tumble over the "fiscal cliff" but in washington signs of movement among lawmakers. cbs reporter danielle nottingham on how the president is holding their feet to the fire. >> reporter: president obama is enlisting middle class americans to pressure congress to back away from the "fiscal cliff." >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: he will take his...
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the fiscal cliff. this time it was house speaker boehner speaking with reporters after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. eamon javers is in washington with the latest. eamon, the sentiment down here is these guys should stop talking and start crafting a deal. >> reporter: that's the sentiment here in the hallways of capitol hill as well, sue. i can tell you that. we are starting to get a little more clarity on what's going on here today. i just had the chance just a few moments ago to button-hole senator harry reid here in the hallway, asking him a very specific question. i said did treasury secretary tim geithner come up here with a new specific offer for republicans? is that what he laid down on the table for speaker john boehner today? reid told me -- no, there was no specific offer here today from geithner to the republican side. he said that the president of the united states made the democrats' over two weeks ago and there's been no new specific offer since then. i think that explains
the fiscal cliff. this time it was house speaker boehner speaking with reporters after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. eamon javers is in washington with the latest. eamon, the sentiment down here is these guys should stop talking and start crafting a deal. >> reporter: that's the sentiment here in the hallways of capitol hill as well, sue. i can tell you that. we are starting to get a little more clarity on what's going on here today. i just had the chance just a few...
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eamon javers joins us with the latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. eamon. >> and this is a big one, melissa. "the wall street journal" reporting just within the past few seconds here that according to republican congress aides who have talked to the wall street journal, they say they've obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here in the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is the proffer that apparently treasury secretary tim geithner was talking to republican leaders about today. wall street journal citing a number of specifics from this proposal. let me walk you through them and lay out the implications starting with what aides describe as the white house wanting $1.6 trillion in tax increases up front as part of any new deal. the white house wanting to continue the payroll tax credit or similar policy. the white house saying that it wants a permanent increase in the debt limit and pushing a one-year extension of jobless benefits plans. this one will be the kicker, i think, to any deal that might or might not get hashed out on capitol hill. "the w
eamon javers joins us with the latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. eamon. >> and this is a big one, melissa. "the wall street journal" reporting just within the past few seconds here that according to republican congress aides who have talked to the wall street journal, they say they've obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here in the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is the proffer that apparently treasury secretary tim geithner was talking to...
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host: this is part of a continuing series on "washington journal" focusing on a fiscal cliff. our conversation has broadened. to bring it back to the payroll tax cut and remind you it was enacted in december of 2010, designed to temporarily boost the economy and reduce the tax to% from 6.2% to 4.2% and increased take-home pay about an average of $1,000 to $1,800 per worker. it expires at the end of the year, rates will revert back to 6.2%. if you make $35,000 or so, that will be an extra $700 in taxes. the $2,000, an extra thousand dollars. 75,000, $1,500. finally, $110,000, the upper limit of the payroll tax, another $2,200 will come out of your paycheck. lesley ann north carolina -- in north carolina. caller: neither one of you is going to like my suggestion for all of these taxes. our government is so broke. everyone is saying we need more money. i thinif the taxes go up and the spending cuts come into effect, it is about $500 billion a year. that is about $71 billion a month. we are borrowing $120 billion a month. even if all these taxes go up, and we're still going to be
host: this is part of a continuing series on "washington journal" focusing on a fiscal cliff. our conversation has broadened. to bring it back to the payroll tax cut and remind you it was enacted in december of 2010, designed to temporarily boost the economy and reduce the tax to% from 6.2% to 4.2% and increased take-home pay about an average of $1,000 to $1,800 per worker. it expires at the end of the year, rates will revert back to 6.2%. if you make $35,000 or so, that will be an...
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you know, as the fiscal cliff discussion approaches in washington, there is a lot of talk about budget cutting. do you worry about in this era of austerity that less money is going to be spent on things, important things like worker safety? >> i think we should all be deeply worried about that, because the risk of spending less on safety is going to result in people being maimed, disfigured hurt, killed on the job, where it doesn't have to happen, the disaster at the upper big ben mine wasn't an accident. it was the result of a willful disregard of health and safety and a failure to enforce that effectively. in an era of budget cutting we risk repeating that. >> well, there were some other -- there was other news today out on the industrial front, which is we also learned that two b.p., british petroleum rig supervisors and former beep executive pleaded inning from charges stemming from the 2010 deep water horizon rig disaster. they claim their scapegoats for higher ups like former c.e.o. tony hayward. b.p. had fines on the civil side. do you think that they were being scapegoated? do
you know, as the fiscal cliff discussion approaches in washington, there is a lot of talk about budget cutting. do you worry about in this era of austerity that less money is going to be spent on things, important things like worker safety? >> i think we should all be deeply worried about that, because the risk of spending less on safety is going to result in people being maimed, disfigured hurt, killed on the job, where it doesn't have to happen, the disaster at the upper big ben mine...
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wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the dollar bill be going the way of the doo-doo. a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entirely to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes it could save taxpayers money. it's more expensive to produce coins but they last about six times longer than paper bills. and you'll need some extra coins to buy starbucks latest. the coffee king is selling a new brew that will set you back $7 for a grande cup. it's made from a rare been grown in costa rica. if you want to brew a cup at home, a bag of th
wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the...
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cliff. white house negotiators head to capitol hill today. they're going to sit down with congressional leaders and talk about specific proposals from both sides for an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins from us washington with those details. tracie, good morning. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. so, it may be no deal today, but perhaps moving forward on these spending cuts and tax increases that are looming at the end of the year. some very specific meetings with a handful of lawmakers who could have a huge impact on your paycheck come january 1st. . treasury secretary tim geithner and white house legislative chief rob neighbors bring the president's deficit-cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> i am very open to a fair and balanced approach to reduce our deficit. >> reporter: republicans want to know, does that approach include the government spending less money? >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by serious spending cuts. >> reporter
cliff. white house negotiators head to capitol hill today. they're going to sit down with congressional leaders and talk about specific proposals from both sides for an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins from us washington with those details. tracie, good morning. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. so, it may be no deal today, but perhaps moving forward on these spending cuts and tax increases that are looming at the end of the year. some very specific meetings...
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some wild statements today about how far apart or close we are on the fiscal cliff. it's another day of fiscal cliff turns on wall street. >> yes, it is. welcome back. i'm bill griffeth. we're going to get to those wild statements out of washington in a minute. you can see when they happen when we show you today's chart. speaker boehner's comments pushed the market lower. then other comments brought them back a little bit. the dow is up just 45 points right now at 13,030. the nasdaq also trading higher today. last i checked, it was up 21 points. there it is at 3,013. that's about the high for the session. the s&p is up about seven points at 1416. >> a bit of a roller coaster ride today after fiscal cliff comments from both parties. >> eamon javers on capitol hill is following the drama, which changes moment by moment. >> absolutely, bill. it's been a bit of a roller coaster ride, as you say, on capitol hill with duelling press conferences today. follow along with me here on what each person said from each party and how that impacted the market, starting with speaker
some wild statements today about how far apart or close we are on the fiscal cliff. it's another day of fiscal cliff turns on wall street. >> yes, it is. welcome back. i'm bill griffeth. we're going to get to those wild statements out of washington in a minute. you can see when they happen when we show you today's chart. speaker boehner's comments pushed the market lower. then other comments brought them back a little bit. the dow is up just 45 points right now at 13,030. the nasdaq also...
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this morning, stock futures are moving higher on encouraging news from washington on the "fiscal cliff" issue. ashley morrison of cbsmoneywatch.com joins us. good morning, ashley. >> reporter: good morning, to you, frank and michelle. asian markets got a lift this morning on growing optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while hong kong's hang seng also gained about 1%. the improvingometer mitchell on the "fiscal cliff" gave wall street a boost, as well. the dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. while the nasdaq was up 23. >> could the dollar bill be going out of style? a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entire to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes the switch could save taxpayers money. it is more expensive to produce the coins but they last about 6 types longer than the paper bills. i don't know. it's going to make my bag heavier for sure. >> that's what i was thinking. my purse is already heavy. >> got four bucks? let me see it here. >> ashley, from time to ti
this morning, stock futures are moving higher on encouraging news from washington on the "fiscal cliff" issue. ashley morrison of cbsmoneywatch.com joins us. good morning, ashley. >> reporter: good morning, to you, frank and michelle. asian markets got a lift this morning on growing optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while hong kong's hang seng also gained about 1%. the improvingometer mitchell on the "fiscal cliff" gave wall street a boost,...
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wall street thinking about the fiscal cliff. recent moves in washington do feel encouraging, so futures are positive. that can and does reverse itself pretty easily. and jon and laura, just a few minutes ago we got the latest gdp numbers. the u.s. economy grew 2.7% in the july to september quarter. that's better than expected. >> all right, scott, thank you very much. good vibrations there. >>> right now we are watching that weather as we get a little break before a second storm heads right here to the bay area. >> time to check in with meteorologist christina loren. >> a very active forecast continues. good morning to you. the first week of december is going to be kind of rough across the bay area. start with this live picture over san francisco where we don't have any fog. no rainfall in this area. yesterday we had three-hour flight delays, so the good news for travelers is it looks like flights are leaving on time this morning. we'll continue to track that for you. we have a lot of cloud cover overhead. you'll notice that as
wall street thinking about the fiscal cliff. recent moves in washington do feel encouraging, so futures are positive. that can and does reverse itself pretty easily. and jon and laura, just a few minutes ago we got the latest gdp numbers. the u.s. economy grew 2.7% in the july to september quarter. that's better than expected. >> all right, scott, thank you very much. good vibrations there. >>> right now we are watching that weather as we get a little break before a second storm...
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when the reality is that millions of americans have already gone over the fiscal cliff. and so this is a conversation that in some regards is a waste of time in washington, we ought to be talking about creating jobs and not about deficit reduction. it troubles me when the president himself even seems to go for that line about deficit reducti reduction. it ought to be about job kraeks. >> is he being bold enough? because the one thing everybody hoped, president obama, second term, would come out fighting and swings and be the obama they came out voting for four years ago. and this moment, it doesn't strike me as being too audacious. >> one thing i hoped he wouldn't create in the second term, too much compromise, capitulating to the republicans, everybody saw what he was up against in the first term. and i just don't want to see him again let the republicans clean his clock. over the past couple of days, irskin bowles said earlier today, i saw on the internet that when he met with the president, the president signalled he may be willing to talk about the raising of taxes.
when the reality is that millions of americans have already gone over the fiscal cliff. and so this is a conversation that in some regards is a waste of time in washington, we ought to be talking about creating jobs and not about deficit reduction. it troubles me when the president himself even seems to go for that line about deficit reducti reduction. it ought to be about job kraeks. >> is he being bold enough? because the one thing everybody hoped, president obama, second term, would...
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. >>> tell washington. will lawmakers send americans off the fiscal cliff with a huge tax increase? the president asks middle class people to help make his case for action. >>> triple threat. three big storms, one after the other, about to pound the west coast. >>> and, made in america. do you want to make a difference, creating american jobs? david muir tonight shows us how to do it together for a happy holiday. >> we're in! >> we're in! >>> good evening. right now, millions and millions of americans are lining up to take a chance on a giant dream. a powerball ticket that could be worth more than half a billion dollars. the biggest in its history. the drawing is tonight. and some people have been willing to wait 2 1/2 hours in the long lines in arizona, while coast to coast, tickets are flying across the counters, 130,000 sold every minute. and that adds up to 7 million tickets sold every hour. so, we asked abc's steve osunsami to make his way into the vault where the lottery balls are kept under lock and key and tell us about all the americans hoping tonight is their night. >> rep
. >>> tell washington. will lawmakers send americans off the fiscal cliff with a huge tax increase? the president asks middle class people to help make his case for action. >>> triple threat. three big storms, one after the other, about to pound the west coast. >>> and, made in america. do you want to make a difference, creating american jobs? david muir tonight shows us how to do it together for a happy holiday. >> we're in! >> we're in! >>> good...
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cult, the fiscal cliff is the ng er difficult situation facing washington. and we just heard senator gndsey graham, a republican say the whiok, we've given a little bit. ho now we're waiting for the white ayed. to give a little bit on ectitlements is the game that's being played. what do whoa expect next? > we'll go back and forth. key thing to keep an eye on, is this tax rates going up. republicans, including lindsey graham, have talked about revenue. taxhe said i don't ever want to see tax rates go up. that's that's the key thing to watch. ortedjor reported, the president is saying tax rates must go up. we only way you're going to buy ans to get tans to get tax rates to go up would be to show some ewhere whereon somewhere where democrats would feel some pain thethat would be in the entitlement area. curity,sident doesn't want to ments social security and really republicansng to do something n ultimatws republicans to save ace in an ultimate deal where hey can say, look, this is what we got. we didn't just totally get rolled by the president. f front page o
cult, the fiscal cliff is the ng er difficult situation facing washington. and we just heard senator gndsey graham, a republican say the whiok, we've given a little bit. ho now we're waiting for the white ayed. to give a little bit on ectitlements is the game that's being played. what do whoa expect next? > we'll go back and forth. key thing to keep an eye on, is this tax rates going up. republicans, including lindsey graham, have talked about revenue. taxhe said i don't ever want to see tax...
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www.kron4.com stay with us for the up to the minute in tone in washington today -- as the fiscal cliff looms. kron4's political analyst michael yaki is here to talk about it all -- however, only 34 days until the united states faces the our political analyst, michael yaki is on set tobut first let's go to vicki? >> politicians in washington are trying to reach a compromise before the january first deadline. if no deal is reached -- tax increases and effect. president obama says the people need to be part of the fiscal cliff debate. and today, he's taking his message on the road. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> but republican lawmakers, question the president's decision to leave washington. >> in other words rather than sitting down with lawmakers of both parties and working out an agreement he is back on the campaign trail presumably with the same old talking points that we are all quite familiar with. >> mister obama assured the public he is doing his part. also sittin
www.kron4.com stay with us for the up to the minute in tone in washington today -- as the fiscal cliff looms. kron4's political analyst michael yaki is here to talk about it all -- however, only 34 days until the united states faces the our political analyst, michael yaki is on set tobut first let's go to vicki? >> politicians in washington are trying to reach a compromise before the january first deadline. if no deal is reached -- tax increases and effect. president obama says the people...
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a lot of action in washington on the fiscal cliff talk. >> we're going to begin there. signs, perhaps, of a potential compromise there to avoid the so called fiscal cliff that would raise taxes on a typical american family by some $2,200. republican congressman tom cole, of oklahoma, is urging republicans to accept president obama's deal and allow the bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy to expire for now. so tax cuts for the middle class can stay in effect. but house speaker john boehner remains opposed, saying a tax hike on the wealthy will hurt the economy. >>> today, president obama is hosting mitt romney at the white house for a private lunch. after the election, the president promised to reach out to romney for his ideas. >>> and overseas, the u.s. could be getting more involved in the civil war in syria. "the new york times" is reporting the obama administration is considering options, including arming the rebel fighters there who have made progress in recent days in battling bashar al assad's forces. >>> and more trouble for president obama's expected nominee for se
a lot of action in washington on the fiscal cliff talk. >> we're going to begin there. signs, perhaps, of a potential compromise there to avoid the so called fiscal cliff that would raise taxes on a typical american family by some $2,200. republican congressman tom cole, of oklahoma, is urging republicans to accept president obama's deal and allow the bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy to expire for now. so tax cuts for the middle class can stay in effect. but house speaker john boehner...
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because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from washington is msnbc own historian the great chris matthews, the host of "hardball" and the author of quk jack kent, elusive hero," available now. highways t that's the advertising over. we learned the menu including white turkey chili and no humble pie after all. >> no dessert at all. i wondered about that double helping of poultry. what a strange meal. the turkey and then the chicken part. it's a strange meal. must have been dietary rules. i don't think that's a natural decision by the chef. strange meal. >> how do you think the meeting went though in truth? >> i think it's been screwed up because mr. romney, the
because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from...
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are we not going to come to a resolution of the fiscal cliff? you've been watching this a very long time. >> i have, and i think the tragedy of this is that there's a deal to be had, and it does not involve all tt much. it involves significant pain for almost everybody, but you're not going to do it without bringing that pain to both sides, and the real trouble we've got now is that we've got a try -- tribal atmosphere. it's a question whether obama and the surrogates can take a message back to the troops who are dug in hard and basically say we had to give this up, but we got that in return. it's the classic give and take. gerri: it's interesting. i see what you're saying. i understand your point, but the president is not even involved in the negotiation, at this point. he's traveling, doing other things. shshould he be at the table? would it imprprove his hand if , himself, were there? >> you know, he did that kind of negotiates with boehner th last time over the debt limit. i think what you're seeing now with a president who got re-elected wi
are we not going to come to a resolution of the fiscal cliff? you've been watching this a very long time. >> i have, and i think the tragedy of this is that there's a deal to be had, and it does not involve all tt much. it involves significant pain for almost everybody, but you're not going to do it without bringing that pain to both sides, and the real trouble we've got now is that we've got a try -- tribal atmosphere. it's a question whether obama and the surrogates can take a message...
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. >>> when it comes to avoiding the so-called fiscal cliff, where do we stand in washington's version of let's make a deal? we'll break down the negotiations with two top political strategists, ari fleischer and paul begala are both standing by live right here in "the situation room." [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million older americans don't have enough to eat. anything else? no, not today. join me, aarp, and aarp foundation in the drive to end hunger by visiting drivetoendhunger.org. [ male announcer ] can a car be built around a state of mind? ♪ announcing the all-new 2013 malibu from chevrolet. ♪ with a remarkable new interior featuring the available chevrolet mylink infotainment system. this is where sophisticated styling begins. and where it ends? that's up to you. it's here -- the greatest malibu ever. ♪ now is a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs and your budg
. >>> when it comes to avoiding the so-called fiscal cliff, where do we stand in washington's version of let's make a deal? we'll break down the negotiations with two top political strategists, ari fleischer and paul begala are both standing by live right here in "the situation room." [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million...
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beyond the fiscal cliff. he's got lots of views. >> does he pull punches about bernanke? >> there's a couple comments i think we'll run in the 7:00 or 8:00 hour, he's diplomatic about it, but if you listen very carefully, i think you know where he stands on a lot of the stuff. he talks about the punch bowl and having to take around the punch bowl before -- >> the lead story in the journal -- >> the fed stimulus. we're back again. >> operation twist is supposed to be up january 1st. >> he's also got interesting theories on the volcker rule and banks still. so we'll be running some of that throughout the broadcast. >>> in corporate news, rio tinto plans to cut cost and sell more assets. and two audit firms are now being sued regarding the acquisition of hp. shareholder law side has named deloitte and kpm claiming they missed numerous red flags. board of directors also named. >> a magnetic lawsuit. you see the press release go out and someone has to boiler plate to say, okay, we're the accountants, we're the ban
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how are the traders relating to thithis back and forth on the fiscal cliff. nicole: is here and does a good job of delving into that. >> it depends on who is coming out before the cameras are down, washington, d.c. down in washington, d.c., depends on what is coming out. they're telegraphing their signals pretty readily through the dissemination of the information we get in the various sources. your talk about the fact is they key time for cash management pertaining to companies that are all rushing to accelerate the dividend payout. >> it is extraordinary to look at the movement. the proposals are for dividends to go from 50% in the higher earners up to 40%. what we are seeing is a lot of cash flows to the shareholders and for the into projects and employment. people are trying to take advantage and that is what we are doing with the dividend payers. nicole: you always do a good job giving us insight in the latest and greatest on wall street. back to you guys. ashley: thank you so much, nicole. tracy: she is not wrong though. the board for social deals like
how are the traders relating to thithis back and forth on the fiscal cliff. nicole: is here and does a good job of delving into that. >> it depends on who is coming out before the cameras are down, washington, d.c. down in washington, d.c., depends on what is coming out. they're telegraphing their signals pretty readily through the dissemination of the information we get in the various sources. your talk about the fact is they key time for cash management pertaining to companies that are...
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cliff. as the january 1st deadline looms large over washington, republican heavyweights from house speaker john boehner to majority leader eric cantor announced yet again today they're willing to make major concessions to the democrats in order to avert disaster. take a look. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. it's one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by serious spending cuts. >> we have done our part. we have put revenues on the table. something that we dtdn't do two yearyears ago during the debt ceiling negotiations. >> sean: we'll get into what, quote, unquote, revenue really means, and whether it includes tax hikes. as you just heard from the republican leadership they're offering up real solutions on how to avoid falling often the so-called fiscal cliff. the president however still thinks he's out there on the campaign trail, in fact using the
cliff. as the january 1st deadline looms large over washington, republican heavyweights from house speaker john boehner to majority leader eric cantor announced yet again today they're willing to make major concessions to the democrats in order to avert disaster. take a look. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. it's one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table as long as it's...
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will be able to avoid the fiscal cliff that will come toward the year end. right now the dow is turned around. the nasdaq is up seven and s and p is flat. >> palestine leaders in new york pushing for upgraded status at the united nations. as lateral son reports, both israel and the united states don't like it. >> reporter: and despite the objections especially from the united states, palestine ans have been able to secure broad support ahead of the vote. they rallied as the president headed to the united nations to seek nonmember observer status. they see it as a significant move toward statehood but the secretary of state warns it'll undermine efforts to restart peace talks with israel. >> the path to a two state solution that fills the aspirations of the palestine people through them, not new york. >> reporter: the vet comes a week after a cease fire that stopped eight days of blood shed. if the palestine president wins the vote as he is expected to it could boost his creditability with hamas in any future negotiations, there could be a price for him. memb
will be able to avoid the fiscal cliff that will come toward the year end. right now the dow is turned around. the nasdaq is up seven and s and p is flat. >> palestine leaders in new york pushing for upgraded status at the united nations. as lateral son reports, both israel and the united states don't like it. >> reporter: and despite the objections especially from the united states, palestine ans have been able to secure broad support ahead of the vote. they rallied as the...
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all deadlines are as pressing as those in the fiscal cliff the day for the final drop of the vocal rule has been pushed out according to the n.b.c. from the end of year to possibly the first quarter of two thousand and thirteen does this simply leave more time for bank lobbying wins like the one scored from the treasury treasury over foreign exchange swaps during this transition out for timothy geithner bob english is here to talk about it all from studies out feet plus third quarter g.d.p. growth was revised up to two point seven percent up from the two percent gain previously reported by the commerce department and just short of expectations now reports are that this game could reverse but more important than that should we put stock in g.d.p. as a measure of the economy's health at all we'll discuss and earlier this week we asked the national commentator peter schiff about his hyper inflation calls. i know that you're saying you can't predict when this is going to happen but why haven't we seen that happen well you know i guess i still say the hyperinflation is the worst case scenari
all deadlines are as pressing as those in the fiscal cliff the day for the final drop of the vocal rule has been pushed out according to the n.b.c. from the end of year to possibly the first quarter of two thousand and thirteen does this simply leave more time for bank lobbying wins like the one scored from the treasury treasury over foreign exchange swaps during this transition out for timothy geithner bob english is here to talk about it all from studies out feet plus third quarter g.d.p....
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energy company is moving forward on investments despite fiscal cliff concerns. we begin on our conversation, zeroing in on lawmakers' efforts in washington and whether he thinks they can work out a deal. >> i hope we can. there's greatty in the business community waiting for something to be done. there are big concerns about structural deficits going forward. there are concerns about tax increases that would be coming absent some sort of a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff has been the issue that has stopped or sort of made companies reluctant to push cash to work, to hire folks. is that stopping you, or are you moving forward regardless? >> actually, we've been moving forward with our investments. we're spending some $32 billion this year on energy projects around the world. i expect we'll spend even manufacture thmore than that next year. all we need is the opportunity to invest. we need to have access. we need permits, and we need a tax structure that supports what we do. there will be a tremendous opportunity to create jobs and government revenue
energy company is moving forward on investments despite fiscal cliff concerns. we begin on our conversation, zeroing in on lawmakers' efforts in washington and whether he thinks they can work out a deal. >> i hope we can. there's greatty in the business community waiting for something to be done. there are big concerns about structural deficits going forward. there are concerns about tax increases that would be coming absent some sort of a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal...
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mike emanuel, keeping an eye on the fiscal cliff negotiations for us there in washington. thanks, mike. jenna: from capitol hill to the white house now, and right now the president is getting ready to host governor mitt romney for lunch. the former rivals will be meeting behind closed doors in a private white house dining room. reporters were not invited. jon: oh, gee. jenna: left off that invitation list. jay carney says there's no formal agenda, and we don't know the menu as well. very curious ability what they're serving today n. his victory speech, president obama said he was looking forward to sitting down with governor romney and talking about ways they can move together to move the -- they can work together to move the country forward. he will also meet with his former running mate, congressman paul ryan. jon: vice president joe biden today calling for a middle class tax cut while getting in some christmas shopping as well. mr. biden visited the first costco store to open in washington. we won't tell you what he bought to put under the tree, but the vice president d
mike emanuel, keeping an eye on the fiscal cliff negotiations for us there in washington. thanks, mike. jenna: from capitol hill to the white house now, and right now the president is getting ready to host governor mitt romney for lunch. the former rivals will be meeting behind closed doors in a private white house dining room. reporters were not invited. jon: oh, gee. jenna: left off that invitation list. jay carney says there's no formal agenda, and we don't know the menu as well. very...
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on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea is to accept a compromise that allows the wealthy americans to continue to not pay their fair share because the result of that will be middle class families will bear the entire burden of the challenges that this country faces. that's not fair or responsible. >> how do we do it? how does this country manage to get a decently fair deal in time to beat this cliff, avoid it? >> tom cole said it all. take what the president has offered right now. make sure that 98% of the people aren't affected by any tax increases. that's how we get it started. and patty is absolutely right. we have all these problems facing us and this is the way to do it. a bad deal would be saying to the millionaires and billionaires, you're going to get a big tax break. that's what the elections was about. we held an election. it isn't as if this was a sidebar is
on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea is to accept a compromise that allows the wealthy americans to continue to not pay their fair share because the result of that will be middle class families will bear the entire burden of the challenges that this country faces. that's not fair or...
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obama is demanding republicans vote now to prevent the worst fall off the fiscal cliff, tax hikes on 98% of americans. >> the first job is to make sure tax on middle class families don't go up and since we all agree on this we should get that done. >> reporter: house democrats agree. >> if we can get a few house republicans to agree, as well, i will sign this bill. >> reporter: republican tom cole got on board. >> we all agree that we are not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner says no. once tax breaks get blocked democrats can go home for the holidays and on january 1 tax rates rise automatically for the top 2%. worried ceos came to capitol hill saying congress has to avoid the cliff. >> entitlements have to be touched and revenues have to be touched. >> to make sure we have revenue necessary in order to move this economy forward. >> we are willing to put revenue on the table as long as we are not raising rates. >> reporter: the president says no long-term deal without a rate hike on the rich. he is urging the middle c
obama is demanding republicans vote now to prevent the worst fall off the fiscal cliff, tax hikes on 98% of americans. >> the first job is to make sure tax on middle class families don't go up and since we all agree on this we should get that done. >> reporter: house democrats agree. >> if we can get a few house republicans to agree, as well, i will sign this bill. >> reporter: republican tom cole got on board. >> we all agree that we are not going to raise taxes...
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could a solution to the fiscal cliff be on the menu? live report from washington straight ahead. >> plus this -- stunning video out of syria, rebels cheer after a military helicopter is shot down. what does it mean for the united states? >>> drones. we know the military uses them. well, get ready for drones possibly buzzing your house. >>> and forget steroids. adderall is the new p.e.d. and four nfl players are suspended. >>> cup of joe, only one question left. something you would buy? >> no, not at all. >> "newsroom" starts now. >> good morning to you. thank you so much for being with me. i'm carol costello. we begin in washington today where president obama will play host to mitt romney this afternoon andn what could be one of the most anticipated meals in the nation's capital since thanksgiving. white house correspondent dan lothian joins me now. so, i don't know. i would love to be a fly on the wall. wouldn't you? >> no cameras allowed inside for this lunch. this is something the president said he wanted to do in his victory speech,
could a solution to the fiscal cliff be on the menu? live report from washington straight ahead. >> plus this -- stunning video out of syria, rebels cheer after a military helicopter is shot down. what does it mean for the united states? >>> drones. we know the military uses them. well, get ready for drones possibly buzzing your house. >>> and forget steroids. adderall is the new p.e.d. and four nfl players are suspended. >>> cup of joe, only one question left....
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host: julie, let's start with the fiscal cliff. where does health policy, health care fit into this if at all? guest: obviously what -- there's nothing about the fiscal cliff that particularly impacts the health law. we do know that starting january 1, if congress does not act, there are these automatic cuts that take effect. compared is impacted only slightly. there will be 2% cut to payments to providers, not to beneficiaries, medicaid is excluded. however also on january 1, this is not part of this whole sequester piece, there is the problem medicare physician fees, the perennial problem, it happens to also expire in conjunction with everything else that happens on january 1. there would be a 27% cut to doctor payments under medicare, something that congress continues to not let happen, but they have to find several billion dollars, or if they want to make it go away for good, several hundred billion dollars to fix that problem. so there are a lot of health related issues involved in these negotiations. there are a lot of people
host: julie, let's start with the fiscal cliff. where does health policy, health care fit into this if at all? guest: obviously what -- there's nothing about the fiscal cliff that particularly impacts the health law. we do know that starting january 1, if congress does not act, there are these automatic cuts that take effect. compared is impacted only slightly. there will be 2% cut to payments to providers, not to beneficiaries, medicaid is excluded. however also on january 1, this is not part...
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barack obama bringing glad tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present, the dow gained more than a full percent throughout the day. will we have a true christmas miracle? courtesy of those two. oh, let's hope that they don't wear those hats. i spoke this evening with republican senator john cornyn of texas, he's the republican whip and member of the finance committee, and i asked him what has he actually done to help get this deal done, not the night before, but before christmas. >> we have said that revenue, is something that the president said he needs, we have made the point that revenue is on the table. even if we were t
barack obama bringing glad tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of...